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“It rocks my soul, boosts my spirit and teaches me high ROI business processes and methods”
“I’ve been in business for over three decades and started six organizations in health and sustainability. We’ve run dozens of events and I’ve participated in hundreds, including some very high end masterminds. I must say that my experience with Baby Bathwater stands at the top: not only do I love the other members, the hosts, the venues and the food, but it rocks my soul, boosts my spirit and teaches me high ROI business processes and methods. After each event I feel more engaged and enthusiastic to implement what I’ve learned and equally supported for my passions and pursuits.”
David GottfriedCEO, The Gottfried Institute“I’ve been in business for over three decades and started six organizations in health and sustainability. We’ve run dozens of events and I’ve participated in hundreds, including some very high end masterminds. I must say that my experience with Baby Bathwater stands at the top: not only do I love the other members, the hosts, the venues and the food, but it rocks my soul, boosts my spirit and teaches me high ROI business processes and methods. After each event I feel more engaged and enthusiastic to implement what I’ve learned and equally supported for my passions and pursuits.”
Founder, U.S. and World Green Building Councils
15 Billion Square Feet of Green Buildings in Over 100 Countries
“It rocks my soul, boosts my spirit and teaches me high ROI business processes and methods”
“I’ve been in business for over three decades and started six organizations in health and sustainability. We’ve run dozens of events and I’ve participated in hundreds, including some very high end masterminds. I must say that my experience with Baby Bathwater stands at the top: not only do I love the other members, the hosts, the venues and the food, but it rocks my soul, boosts my spirit and teaches me high ROI business processes and methods. After each event I feel more engaged and enthusiastic to implement what I’ve learned and equally supported for my passions and pursuits.”
David GottfriedCEO, The Gottfried Institute“I’ve been in business for over three decades and started six organizations in health and sustainability. We’ve run dozens of events and I’ve participated in hundreds, including some very high end masterminds. I must say that my experience with Baby Bathwater stands at the top: not only do I love the other members, the hosts, the venues and the food, but it rocks my soul, boosts my spirit and teaches me high ROI business processes and methods. After each event I feel more engaged and enthusiastic to implement what I’ve learned and equally supported for my passions and pursuits.”
Founder, U.S. and World Green Building Councils
15 Billion Square Feet of Green Buildings in Over 100 Countries
“The perfect mix of top experts, a down to earth community of thinkers and doers”
“Michael Lovitch, Hollis Carter, and the Baby Bathwater team know that the best events combine great content and great people.”
Esther PerelNew York Times Bestselling Author, Mating in Captivity “Michael Lovitch, Hollis Carter, and the Baby Bathwater team know that the best events combine great content and great people.”
“The perfect mix of top experts, a down to earth community of thinkers and doers”
“Michael Lovitch and Hollis Carter know that the best events combine great content and great people.”
Esther PerelNew York Times Bestselling Author, Mating in Captivity “Michael Lovitch and Hollis Carter know that the best events combine great content and great people.”
“Every single [woman] that I have met is a badass in her own right”
“I was worried before I came to this conference that it would be a bro-fest, but I have been so pleasantly surprised. Not only at the sheer number of women, but at the quality of those women. Every single one that I have met is a badass in her own right. So many people who are amazing at what they do and who are also totally willing to say what they’re not good at - and that is so refreshing.”
Juliet StarrettCEO, The Ready State“I was worried before I came to this conference that it would be a bro-fest, but I have been so pleasantly surprised. Not only at the sheer number of women, but at the quality of those women. Every single one that I have met is a badass in her own right. So many people who are amazing at what they do and who are also totally willing to say what they’re not good at - and that is so refreshing.”
Attorney & Entrepreneur
CEO of San Francisco Crossfit
(one of the first 50 Crossfit affiliates)
White Water Rafting World Champion
Co-Founder of the Non-Profit StandUpKids
“Every single [woman] that I have met is a badass in her own right”
“I was worried before I came to this conference that it would be a bro-fest, but I have been so pleasantly surprised. Not only at the sheer number of women, but at the quality of those women. Every single one that I have met is a badass in her own right. So many people who are amazing at what they do and who are also totally willing to say what they’re not good at - and that is so refreshing.”
Juliet StarrettCEO, The Ready State“I was worried before I came to this conference that it would be a bro-fest, but I have been so pleasantly surprised. Not only at the sheer number of women, but at the quality of those women. Every single one that I have met is a badass in her own right. So many people who are amazing at what they do and who are also totally willing to say what they’re not good at - and that is so refreshing.”
Attorney & Entrepreneur
CEO of San Francisco Crossfit
(one of the first 50 Crossfit affiliates)
White Water Rafting World Champion
Co-Founder of the Non-Profit StandUpKids
“Hands down the best event of any kind that I've ever been to."
“I’m the guy that hates masterminds…I swore them off as not my scene, and didn’t like the vibe & being constantly pitched. I was really resistant to coming here...but this is hands down the best event of any kind that I’ve ever been to. The food, the people, the content…my head is about to explode with all the ideas I have. I’m a convert.”
Chris KresserFounder & CEO“I’m the guy that hates masterminds…I swore them off as not my scene, and didn’t like the vibe & being constantly pitched. I was really resistant to coming here...but this is hands down the best event of any kind that I’ve ever been to. The food, the people, the content…my head is about to explode with all the ideas I have. I’m a convert.”
Chris Kresser LLC
One of the most respected clinicians and educators in the fields of functional medicine and ancestral health
“Hands down the best event of any kind that I've ever been to."
“I’m the guy that hates masterminds…I swore them off as not my scene, and didn’t like the vibe & being constantly pitched. I was really resistant to coming here...but this is hands down the best event of any kind that I’ve ever been to. The food, the people, the content…my head is about to explode with all the ideas I have. I’m a convert.”
Chris KresserFounder & CEO“I’m the guy that hates masterminds…I swore them off as not my scene, and didn’t like the vibe & being constantly pitched. I was really resistant to coming here...but this is hands down the best event of any kind that I’ve ever been to. The food, the people, the content…my head is about to explode with all the ideas I have. I’m a convert.”
Chris Kresser LLC
One of the most respected clinicians and educators in the fields of functional medicine and ancestral health
“It saves you like TEN YEARS of networking being a part of this thing."
Kevin GianniCo-Founder, Annmarie Skin Care 
“It saves you like TEN YEARS of networking being a part of this thing."
Kevin GianniCo-Founder, Annmarie Skin Care “As an entrepreneur it's tough to find your tribe”
“I feel strongly that this whole community espouses my beliefs around entrepreneurship, creating value, authentic convos…it’s a catch-all for me. When it comes to pushing the edge inside of your industry it can be difficult to find people that want to pioneer and develop new concepts…at BBW this is what happens.”
Mikal AbdullahFounder & CEO, Martial Arts Business Hacks “I feel strongly that this whole community espouses my beliefs around entrepreneurship, creating value, authentic convos…it’s a catch-all for me. When it comes to pushing the edge inside of your industry it can be difficult to find people that want to pioneer and develop new concepts…at BBW this is what happens.”
“As an entrepreneur it's tough to find your tribe”
“I feel strongly that this whole community espouses my beliefs around entrepreneurship, creating value, authentic convos…it’s a catch-all for me. When it comes to pushing the edge inside of your industry it can be difficult to find people that want to pioneer and develop new concepts…at BBW this is what happens.”
Mikal AbdullahFounder & CEO, Martial Arts Business Hacks “I feel strongly that this whole community espouses my beliefs around entrepreneurship, creating value, authentic convos…it’s a catch-all for me. When it comes to pushing the edge inside of your industry it can be difficult to find people that want to pioneer and develop new concepts…at BBW this is what happens.”
“It is hands down the most valuable three days I have ever spent in my career”
“Usually when I go to a conference, I find that most of the people in the room benefit greatly from the knowledge that I can share… but there’s not as much that I can take away. But for me to be surrounded by people where I can literally learn something from every single person here — amazing levels of knowledge and people that are in all different industries, working in all different media, and teaching me things that I wouldn’t have learned for three years if I did not come here. It is hands down the most valuable three days I have ever spent in my career.”
Jenny ThompsonFounder, SafetyPIN Technologies“Usually when I go to a conference, I find that most of the people in the room benefit greatly from the knowledge that I can share… but there’s not as much that I can take away. But for me to be surrounded by people where I can literally learn something from every single person here — amazing levels of knowledge and people that are in all different industries, working in all different media, and teaching me things that I wouldn’t have learned for three years if I did not come here. It is hands down the most valuable three days I have ever spent in my career.”
Making Crowd Sharing Safe
Former CEO of $800 Million-Dollar Health & Wellness Company
“It is hands down the most valuable three days I have ever spent in my career”
“Usually when I go to a conference, I find that most of the people in the room benefit greatly from the knowledge that I can share… but there’s not as much that I can take away. But for me to be surrounded by people where I can literally learn something from every single person here — amazing levels of knowledge and people that are in all different industries, working in all different media, and teaching me things that I wouldn’t have learned for three years if I did not come here. It is hands down the most valuable three days I have ever spent in my career.”
Jenny ThompsonFounder, SafetyPIN Technologies“Usually when I go to a conference, I find that most of the people in the room benefit greatly from the knowledge that I can share… but there’s not as much that I can take away. But for me to be surrounded by people where I can literally learn something from every single person here — amazing levels of knowledge and people that are in all different industries, working in all different media, and teaching me things that I wouldn’t have learned for three years if I did not come here. It is hands down the most valuable three days I have ever spent in my career.”
Making Crowd Sharing Safe
Former CEO of $800 Million-Dollar Health & Wellness Company
“I feel like 10 years from now I'm going to look back at where I am, both personally and financially, and be able to draw a straight line from the day I joined BBW to where I am then.”
Dom WellsFounder, Onfolio 
“I feel like 10 years from now I'm going to look back at where I am, both personally and financially, and be able to draw a straight line from the day I joined BBW to where I am then.”
Dom WellsFounder, Onfolio “It's a give first group of peers. This is where I level up. Not just for business, but for life.”
Jason KryskiCo-Founder, StrawhouseGlobal leader in performance marketing
“It's a give first group of peers. This is where I level up. Not just for business, but for life.”
Jason KryskiCo-Founder, StrawhouseGlobal leader in performance marketing
“We can't afford not to be a part of it”
“This is such an incredible and helpful group of people. We've never been part of a business community where people go out of their way to help for no reason at all...and our business has skyrocketed as a result of this group. Key hires, marketing, partnerships, brand vision...it's an invaluable wealth of knowledge and support."
Tina AndersonCo-Founder & CEO, Just Thrive “This is such an incredible and helpful group of people. We've never been part of a business community where people go out of their way to help for no reason at all...and our business has skyrocketed as a result of this group. Key hires, marketing, partnerships, brand vision...it's an invaluable wealth of knowledge and support."
“We can't afford not to be a part of it”
“This is such an incredible and helpful group of people. We've never been part of a business community where people go out of their way to help for no reason at all...and our business has skyrocketed as a result of this group. Key hires, marketing, partnerships, brand vision...it's an invaluable wealth of knowledge and support."
Tina AndersonCo-Founder & CEO, Just Thrive “This is such an incredible and helpful group of people. We've never been part of a business community where people go out of their way to help for no reason at all...and our business has skyrocketed as a result of this group. Key hires, marketing, partnerships, brand vision...it's an invaluable wealth of knowledge and support."
The People
The ROI
The Experience
“I had high expectations and they've been blown out of the water...”
“If you’re lucky enough to get asked or invited…give them your money before they figure out you probably shouldn’t be there, because that’s how I feel. So if you have the chance, get the application form done, show up, ask lots of questions, be a good person and things will happen.”
Dan MartellFounder, Clarity and 3 other successful exits “If you’re lucky enough to get asked or invited…give them your money before they figure out you probably shouldn’t be there, because that’s how I feel. So if you have the chance, get the application form done, show up, ask lots of questions, be a good person and things will happen.”
“I had high expectations and they've been blown out of the water...”
“If you’re lucky enough to get asked or invited…give them your money before they figure out you probably shouldn’t be there, because that’s how I feel. So if you have the chance, get the application form done, show up, ask lots of questions, be a good person and things will happen.”
Dan MartellFounder, Clarity and 3 other successful exits “If you’re lucky enough to get asked or invited…give them your money before they figure out you probably shouldn’t be there, because that’s how I feel. So if you have the chance, get the application form done, show up, ask lots of questions, be a good person and things will happen.”
“Just the online group alone is worth the investment...”
“The help I received knew their shit and walked me straight through it, with no intention of pitching me at all on their services. The support I received literally helped me make $20 million dollars. So I’d say that’s a pretty good return on my investment.”
Maegan ScarlettCo-Founder, oVertone Haircare“The help I received knew their shit and walked me straight through it, with no intention of pitching me at all on their services. The support I received literally helped me make $20 million dollars. So I’d say that’s a pretty good return on my investment.”
Bootstrapped to mid-8-figures
Over 50 full-time employees
“Just the online group alone is worth the investment...”
“The help I received knew their shit and walked me straight through it, with no intention of pitching me at all on their services. The support I received literally helped me make $20 million dollars. So I’d say that’s a pretty good return on my investment.”
Maegan ScarlettCo-Founder, oVertone Haircare“The help I received knew their shit and walked me straight through it, with no intention of pitching me at all on their services. The support I received literally helped me make $20 million dollars. So I’d say that’s a pretty good return on my investment.”
Bootstrapped to mid-8-figures
Over 50 full-time employees
“Online the community has been great, I've never had the amount of quality responses & help in an online group.”
Babak AzadCMO/SVP, GoodRx 
“Online the community has been great, I've never had the amount of quality responses & help in an online group.”
Babak AzadCMO/SVP, GoodRx “I've got folks to call when I leave events and a support system that has been invaluable for scaling our business”
“We always run up against unknowns and gray areas, and having a community like this full of folks who are genuinely interested in what I’m doing allows me to speak real frankly about what I’m fearful of or what my challenges are. I’ve got folks to call when I leave events and a support system that has been invaluable for scaling our business and utilizing e-commerce strategies. These folks have gone through it before. They’ve made the mistakes so I don’t have to.”
Duke PhillipsFounder & CEO, Ranchlands“We always run up against unknowns and gray areas, and having a community like this full of folks who are genuinely interested in what I’m doing allows me to speak real frankly about what I’m fearful of or what my challenges are. I’ve got folks to call when I leave events and a support system that has been invaluable for scaling our business and utilizing e-commerce strategies. These folks have gone through it before. They’ve made the mistakes so I don’t have to.”
The largest land steward for Conservation Ranching in the USA
Star of the documentary "Duke and the Buffalo"
“I've got folks to call when I leave events and a support system that has been invaluable for scaling our business”
“We always run up against unknowns and gray areas, and having a community like this full of folks who are genuinely interested in what I’m doing allows me to speak real frankly about what I’m fearful of or what my challenges are. I’ve got folks to call when I leave events and a support system that has been invaluable for scaling our business and utilizing e-commerce strategies. These folks have gone through it before. They’ve made the mistakes so I don’t have to.”
Duke PhillipsFounder & CEO, Ranchlands“We always run up against unknowns and gray areas, and having a community like this full of folks who are genuinely interested in what I’m doing allows me to speak real frankly about what I’m fearful of or what my challenges are. I’ve got folks to call when I leave events and a support system that has been invaluable for scaling our business and utilizing e-commerce strategies. These folks have gone through it before. They’ve made the mistakes so I don’t have to.”
The largest land steward for Conservation Ranching in the USA
Star of the documentary "Duke and the Buffalo"
“Never could I have ever imagined that doing business with people could be THIS fun”
“Yes, you'll get tremendous value professionally but the people you meet - that's the gold."
Melanie BalkeCEO & Founder / Marketing Consultant, The Email Marketers “Yes, you'll get tremendous value professionally but the people you meet - that's the gold."
“Never could I have ever imagined that doing business with people could be THIS fun”
“Yes, you'll get tremendous value professionally but the people you meet - that's the gold."
Melanie BalkeCEO & Founder / Marketing Consultant, The Email Marketers “Yes, you'll get tremendous value professionally but the people you meet - that's the gold."
“It's the most direct way to get where I want to go”
“I can keep going to these traditional conferences and try to learn specific stuff or I can just go directly to Baby Bathwater and be with people that have done what I want to do and connect with them and learn directly from them. Just ask them ‘hey this is where I'm at, I want to do this, how do I do that’ and they'll tell me in like three seconds."
Angelo KeelyCEO, Kion “I can keep going to these traditional conferences and try to learn specific stuff or I can just go directly to Baby Bathwater and be with people that have done what I want to do and connect with them and learn directly from them. Just ask them ‘hey this is where I'm at, I want to do this, how do I do that’ and they'll tell me in like three seconds."
“It's the most direct way to get where I want to go”
“I can keep going to these traditional conferences and try to learn specific stuff or I can just go directly to Baby Bathwater and be with people that have done what I want to do and connect with them and learn directly from them. Just ask them ‘hey this is where I'm at, I want to do this, how do I do that’ and they'll tell me in like three seconds."
Angelo KeelyCEO, Kion “I can keep going to these traditional conferences and try to learn specific stuff or I can just go directly to Baby Bathwater and be with people that have done what I want to do and connect with them and learn directly from them. Just ask them ‘hey this is where I'm at, I want to do this, how do I do that’ and they'll tell me in like three seconds."
“The people in the front of the room have actually done it...”
“That combination of actual deep expertise and offering it to a community of peers, versus some kind of NLP transactional backend—I find it refreshing and that allows me to get more out of it.”
Jamie WhealCo-Founder, Flow Genome Project“That combination of actual deep expertise and offering it to a community of peers, versus some kind of NLP transactional backend—I find it refreshing and that allows me to get more out of it.”
Performance Trainer for Google, Nike, and Red Bull
“The people in the front of the room have actually done it...”
“That combination of actual deep expertise and offering it to a community of peers, versus some kind of NLP transactional backend—I find it refreshing and that allows me to get more out of it.”
Jamie WhealCo-Founder, Flow Genome Project“That combination of actual deep expertise and offering it to a community of peers, versus some kind of NLP transactional backend—I find it refreshing and that allows me to get more out of it.”
Performance Trainer for Google, Nike, and Red Bull
“Everyone's been amazing. You don't put 200 people together and that happens”
“This place is special. We’re in so many different places & industries but there are a ton of common threads that you discover and it allows you to grow.”
Lisa CloutierCo-Founder & Owner, Whistling Andy Distillery “This place is special. We’re in so many different places & industries but there are a ton of common threads that you discover and it allows you to grow.”
“Everyone's been amazing. You don't put 200 people together and that happens”
“This place is special. We’re in so many different places & industries but there are a ton of common threads that you discover and it allows you to grow.”
Lisa CloutierCo-Founder & Owner, Whistling Andy Distillery “This place is special. We’re in so many different places & industries but there are a ton of common threads that you discover and it allows you to grow.”
“Easily the best mastermind and networking event that we have ever attended”
“BBW was easily the best mastermind and networking event that we have ever attended. The fact that everyone in attendance was so heavily vetted and verified by the BBW curators made the event far more productive and enjoyable. We didn’t have to worry about anyone trying to sell us on something, or waste our time with self-serving agendas. The collective brain power and creativity of the attendees allowed us to learn some great things, and most importantly, make incredible connections that have already taken our business to the next level. BBW is a home run both personally and professionally.”
Chris StoikosFounder, Dollar Beard Club “BBW was easily the best mastermind and networking event that we have ever attended. The fact that everyone in attendance was so heavily vetted and verified by the BBW curators made the event far more productive and enjoyable. We didn’t have to worry about anyone trying to sell us on something, or waste our time with self-serving agendas. The collective brain power and creativity of the attendees allowed us to learn some great things, and most importantly, make incredible connections that have already taken our business to the next level. BBW is a home run both personally and professionally.”
“Easily the best mastermind and networking event that we have ever attended”
“BBW was easily the best mastermind and networking event that we have ever attended. The fact that everyone in attendance was so heavily vetted and verified by the BBW curators made the event far more productive and enjoyable. We didn’t have to worry about anyone trying to sell us on something, or waste our time with self-serving agendas. The collective brain power and creativity of the attendees allowed us to learn some great things, and most importantly, make incredible connections that have already taken our business to the next level. BBW is a home run both personally and professionally.”
Chris StoikosFounder, Dollar Beard Club “BBW was easily the best mastermind and networking event that we have ever attended. The fact that everyone in attendance was so heavily vetted and verified by the BBW curators made the event far more productive and enjoyable. We didn’t have to worry about anyone trying to sell us on something, or waste our time with self-serving agendas. The collective brain power and creativity of the attendees allowed us to learn some great things, and most importantly, make incredible connections that have already taken our business to the next level. BBW is a home run both personally and professionally.”
“It's gold wrapped in gold, wrapped in humor, wrapped in gold. This is so fun and so valuable.”
Mike RhodesFounder & CEO, WebSavvy 
“It's gold wrapped in gold, wrapped in humor, wrapped in gold. This is so fun and so valuable.”
Mike RhodesFounder & CEO, WebSavvy “Full of dangerous animals who are at the top of their game. Intimidating at times, profoundly helpful, and refreshingly weird”
“I came away from the last members event with a simple tactic that boosted our monthly revenue and transformed the experience of our users. Not bad for a whiskey fueled weekend!”
Nick PolizziFounder, The Sacred Science“I came away from the last members event with a simple tactic that boosted our monthly revenue and transformed the experience of our users. Not bad for a whiskey fueled weekend!”
Acclaimed Documentary Filmmaker & first person to monetize without using traditional distribution channels
“Full of dangerous animals who are at the top of their game. Intimidating at times, profoundly helpful, and refreshingly weird”
“I came away from the last members event with a simple tactic that boosted our monthly revenue and transformed the experience of our users. Not bad for a whiskey fueled weekend!”
Nick PolizziFounder, The Sacred Science“I came away from the last members event with a simple tactic that boosted our monthly revenue and transformed the experience of our users. Not bad for a whiskey fueled weekend!”
Acclaimed Documentary Filmmaker & first person to monetize without using traditional distribution channels
“Baby Bathwater has been incredibly transformative for our businesses”
“We’ve met so many incredible founders, entrepreneurs and business thought leaders that we proudly call our friends now. The 'babies' are definitely our kind of folk. The influence has been so positive for us that we moved our entire company to Boulder to be closer to all of it. I can’t speak highly enough about BBW.”
Darren CrawfordCo-Founder & COO, Umzu & Kinobody“We’ve met so many incredible founders, entrepreneurs and business thought leaders that we proudly call our friends now. The 'babies' are definitely our kind of folk. The influence has been so positive for us that we moved our entire company to Boulder to be closer to all of it. I can’t speak highly enough about BBW.”
9-figure company in the supplement & health information space
“Baby Bathwater has been incredibly transformative for our businesses”
“We’ve met so many incredible founders, entrepreneurs and business thought leaders that we proudly call our friends now. The 'babies' are definitely our kind of folk. The influence has been so positive for us that we moved our entire company to Boulder to be closer to all of it. I can’t speak highly enough about BBW.”
Darren CrawfordCo-Founder & COO, Umzu & Kinobody“We’ve met so many incredible founders, entrepreneurs and business thought leaders that we proudly call our friends now. The 'babies' are definitely our kind of folk. The influence has been so positive for us that we moved our entire company to Boulder to be closer to all of it. I can’t speak highly enough about BBW.”
9-figure company in the supplement & health information space
“Baby Bathwater is more than a few levels above the rest”
“I’ve attended and spoken at many business and networking events over the years and Baby Bathwater is more than a few levels above the rest. Part networking group, part mastermind, part party. You’ll meet some of the most interesting people on the planet at their events. I highly recommend!”
Elliot RoeFounder, Primed Mind“I’ve attended and spoken at many business and networking events over the years and Baby Bathwater is more than a few levels above the rest. Part networking group, part mastermind, part party. You’ll meet some of the most interesting people on the planet at their events. I highly recommend!”
World-renowned Mindset and Performance Coach
“Baby Bathwater is more than a few levels above the rest”
“I’ve attended and spoken at many business and networking events over the years and Baby Bathwater is more than a few levels above the rest. Part networking group, part mastermind, part party. You’ll meet some of the most interesting people on the planet at their events. I highly recommend!”
Elliot RoeFounder, Primed Mind“I’ve attended and spoken at many business and networking events over the years and Baby Bathwater is more than a few levels above the rest. Part networking group, part mastermind, part party. You’ll meet some of the most interesting people on the planet at their events. I highly recommend!”
World-renowned Mindset and Performance Coach
“The reality is, no one knows what the f*ck Baby Bathwater is. And I love it that way.”
Hugh ReesCo-Founder, Expose Media 
“The reality is, no one knows what the f*ck Baby Bathwater is. And I love it that way.”
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